Both antennas are grounded with #6 copper wire attached to 1/2 inch copper pipe 9 feet of which is in the ground.  Since this is beach side in Florida, I expect the pipe is well into very wet sand below the underground water-table.

 

 

 

 

FT-857-D at home next to the computer.

 

Antenna is a ATAS-120-A mounted on my pool enclosure aluminum frame.